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Michel Ney was both Napoleon's best and worst. He was a brilliant commander under Napoléon, but only when under Napoleon's command.

When Napoléon took a nap at the battle of Waterloo, leave Ney temporarily in charge, Ney kept ordering cavalry charges that effectively devastated... his own cavalry.

When Napoléon returned to the battlefield, he was like "WTF m8?l?" Marshall Ney's poor decision as an indépendant commander is the reason why train stations, cities, and universities are named for Waterloo.

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Best general, not a marshal? If we are to include marshals, it's Louis Nicholas Davout, hands down. Tf we're talkino oenerals who didn't achieve the rank of marshal. T would nrobahlv oo

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Sed Who was Napoleon's most important marshal? Not the better one on the field, but the most influential and powerful after him during the empire.

In truth or in people's minds? Factually, it would be this guy:

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Louis-Alexandre Berthier, Napoleon's chief of staff. The guy in the shadow. Napoleon's second brain. The one who translated, whatever the latest ingenious Corsican brain wave made Napoléon blurt out, into clear, concise orders that the army could follow. The one who desperately struggled to make Napoleon's grandiose schemes even possible with the means of early 19th century administration and transportation.

Also the one everybody - including Napoléon - blamed when something went wrong.

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Related What if Napoléon had his best Marshal Davout with him at Waterloo, instead of Ney, would it hâve made a différence?

If Davout was at Quatre bras on June 16th, Napoléon would hâve won the campaign that day.

Davout would hâve clearly understood Napoleon's strategy of overwhelming one part of a split enemy force, and he would never hâve stopped D'Erlon's corps moving to join Napoléon at Ligny the incredible way Ney did.

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Related Who were the greatest générais of the Napoleonic Wars, besides Napoléon?

The generáis mentioned in other answers are good cholees. To complete these answers:

1. Louis-Nicolas Davout; he practically defeated Prussia by himself in 1806 with less than 40% the number of enemy soldiers; he was also instrumental in the advantageous white peace after Waterloo because he commanded the army France had recreated, as Minister of war, and the Allies did not want to push their luck too far by fighting him.

2. Wellington, in particular because he was such a reasonable man. He was a good tactical commander, of course, even though he never achieved victories similar to those of Napoléon o

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Related After Waterloo, why was Marshal Ney executed and not Napoléon?

Rule #1 of rulership: keep yourself alive. It's also the #1 rule of just staying allive, really.

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These were (ostensibly) the first words exchanged between Alexander I and Napoléon upon reaching the bizarre 'neutral' meeting place of a hastily-built raft with white ’N' and W tents in the middle of Nieman River. This was the start of days of talks ending in the Treaty of Tilsit, after the French had pulverized the Russians at the battle of Friedland.

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Ney put his butt on the line for Napoléon in every major campaign of the empire. If there was a suicide job to do Ney rode right to the front and cheered the troops on. Nobody thought Ney to be the brightest bulb in the Marshalate. When Napoléon capitulated in 1814 Ney accepted Louis XVIII as his new Monarch. When Napoléon came back to France, Ney impetuously told the King he would bring him back in an Iran Cage. But on finding Napoléon, Ney melted like butter and took his old place back.

If he betrayed anyone it was the Bourbon King. As mentioned, it cost him his life.

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There were a number of personal traits of Napoléon as well as institutional advantages of France that enabled him to hâve such a tremendous military career.

After ail, he fought 60 battles, losing only 8 EJ, only two of which are considered décisive losses. The other European powers United in not one, but seven different wars EJ until they finally brought him down for good.

1. Napoléon was a gambler. Warfare of the time was led by the aristocrats, who were generally very conservative people. They didn't take risks as a rule. Napoléon, who was a nobody, rose to the top of the military ladder by being a cl

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. poleon. He lead a brave charge in the Battle ot Aspern-Essling with his grenadiers. According to a lot of texts, Lannes went to the front rank, lifted a ladder by himself and climbed up on the first rank. By his courage, the grenadiers followed him and the charge was successful. Unfortunately, he was hit by a can... (more)

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I would add Desaix to the list of the good ones, had he survived Marengo, the bâton of Marshall would hâve been his.

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Relatad Is it safe to say that Marshal Ney was one of Napoleon's worst marshals, aside from Marshal Bernadotte?

I wouldn't say so, he was probably one of the better ones. He played a key role in holding off the Russians long enough to allow the French army to retreat from Russia, and at one point executed a rather spectacular maneuver when he escaped a Russian pincer and rejoined the Grande Armee. He was also the last French soldier to leave Russia. His actions in Russia earned him the nickname Bravest of the Brave.

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I don’t know enough about ail the Marshals to be able to rate him, but he was generally reliable and brave. His bad réputation stems largely from the Waterloo Campaign, when he counteredmande... (more)

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I would say the best were Davout, Massena, Lannes, Soult and Souchet, as these were good as subordinates, as well as in individual command.

I don’t think either of the Marshalls was particularly incompétent, but I think most people are overrating Ney and Muray, who were out of their depths when they were given individual command.

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The Battle of Waterloo is probably one of, if not, the most excessively war-gamed battles. The usual resuit, and this is from hundreds of players using similar forces or slight variations or any form of stipulation, is that the French attack and break Wellington's army and hâve enough time to reform to meet the Prussian reinforcements who they then stop and then the Prussians retreat the next morning when Grouchy finally arrives.

The miracle of Waterloo isn't the Squares repelling Ney's charge or closing the Gâte at Hougomont or any of that guff — it's the fact that a High Command consisting of... (more)

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Great question. My answer would be Bernadotte.

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_ 'nadotte went under Napoléon s command the tirst time in 1797 leading the 4th Division ot the Italian Army lead by Napoléon. By this time, Bernadotte had high réputations. Having the French Revolutionary Wars as a step, due to his courage and leadership, he ranked up from major to General of Division in 1794-in age 31. His service under Jourdan in the Battle of Fleurus is well known. His soldiers were well d... (more)

2. Louis Desaix, who had many successes commanding in Upper Egypt, but is mostwell known for the Battle of Marengo, where he saved the day. He would’ve been a marshal 100% if he hadn't died there.

1. Jean-Baptiste Kleber, arguably the best among the bunch, he never reached a rank of marshal because he was murdered by an Arab-Syrian student during the campaign in Eqypt, where he served as suprême commander after Napolein left. But before that, his record was flawless, arguably, even better than Napoléon himself, with many spectacular victories.

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The "short list" of Napoleon's best marshals usually included Davout, Ney, Lannes and Soult. I don't know who would be the worst but I suspect his brother Jerome would be a contender.

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Best marshals:

1. Nicolas Davout (never lost a battle, was crucial in Napoleon's victories at Austerlitz, Jena-Auershtadt, Eylau, Wagram)

2. Jean Lannes (one of the bravest, with a great military mind)

3. Jean Soult (master of maneuver, brilliant independent commander)

4. Louis-Alexander Berthier (indispensable chief of staff and army administrator)

Worst marshals:

1. Bernadotte (acted very passively in Auerstadt and Wagram, personally hated Napoléon)

2. Nicolas Oudinot (although very brave, was tremendously incompetent)

3. Pierre Augerau (although was good during the Revolutionary wars, was very passive in la

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jri,liant campaign in 1796 defeating Jourdan and Moreau and sending them back over the Rhine suffering heavy casualties for the French. The next year he faced down Napoléon in Italy. Recognizing his inferior position, he retreated masterfully keeping Napoléon reacting to his movement and successfully pulled back his forces and... (more)

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Napoléon Bonaparte fought sixty battles during his career, from Italy to Belgium, taking in Egypt, Russia and Spain along the way. For the vast majority of these battles, he was successful, and he is regarded by some as the best general to ever live. However, he wasn't infallible, and he did lose occasionally. Eight times, to be precise, in battles of varying scope and strategie importance.

1. The Second Battle of Bassano, during the Italian campaign on the 6th November 1796. Napoléon failed to stop the Austrians Crossing the Brenta River and capturing the village of Nove. Following the battle he

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Related Why didn't Napoléon take Marshal Davout with him to Waterloo?

Because Napoléon thought that he would be more use at the War Department in Paris.

It is arguable whether Napoléon was actually right, or squandered one of his best générais pointlessly however.

Louis-Nicolas Davout was always hostile to the Bourbon restoration. Unlike other former Napoleonic Marshals like Ney he preferred to retire than serve the restored Monarchy, and when Napoléon came knocking he swiftly rejoined L'Empereur.

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The top three In my opinion: Marshal Lannes as he has been able to hold off hordes of Russians, Prussians and Austrians in central Europe, an example being at Friedland against the Russian army

Next, Marshal Soult, the marshal was instructed to take Portugal and defend Spain, although he failed, he held out for a long time considering that the majority of his men were conscripts that had never seen battle.

Third, I would say Marshal Davout, he was able to hold the centre on Napoléons line in the battle of austerlitz against a massive force of Russians and Austrians, allowing napoléon to outfla... (more)

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Thank you for asking me about this, Dominio.

Yes, I believe that the problem was that Marshal Ney, very likeable character that he seems to us at this distance in time, took an oath of loyalty to the restored Bourbon King; and when the Emoeror returned. Nev let his heart rule his head and returned to his old master and

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Napoléon appointée! twenty-six Marshals between 1804 and 1815 either due to their expérience, promise or simply to bind them to him for political reasons.

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The initial appointment of eighteen Marshals in 1804 included many famous ñames and some lesser known ones: Berthier, Murat, de Moncey, Jourdan, Masséna, Augereau, Bernadette, Soult, Brune, Lannes, Mortier, Ney, Davout, Bessières,. Four others: Kellerman, Lefebvre, de

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Perignon, and Sérurier were honorary appointments although Kellerman and Lefebvre continued to hold field commands.

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Napoléon I had four brothers: Joseph, Lucien, Louis, and Jerome.

Joseph Bonaparte (born Giuseppe Buonaparte), was Napoleon's only older sibling and the oldest in the family, born just a year before Napoléon. He was a pretty low-key guy, and preferred legal roles compared to Napoleon's military roles. He worked as a lawyer and diplomat in the French Republic years before Napoleon's ascension. He served on the Republican Council of Ancients, and helped his brother overthrow the Directory in 1799.

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Best: Davout, Soult, Bessieres, Suchet.

Worst: Augereau, Bernadette, Marmont, Grouchy.

The 4 honorary marshals were not considered for the rating.

One of the many good sources (if you can read French): http://napoleonler.perso.neuf.fr/Mare.html Cï

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I tried to study who were the choices for the next French head-of-state AFTER Napoléon I according to the Allies AND the French royalists in 1814..

The royalists were split between the South preferring Princess Marie-Therese as Queen-Regnant and the North preferring Prince Louis Stanislas, Count of Provence and titular King Louis XVIII.

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Seated the Princess Royale and Louis XVIII, standing Angouleme and his father Artois..

Diplomatically Louis was the obvious choice. Militarily none of the Bourbons would do as only Prince Louis Antoine, Duke of Angouleme... (more)

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Marshall Ney was, in my opinion (for what it is worth), an excellent divisional commander and a good corps commander, but I honestly believe he was a bit out of his depth when entrusted with greater responsibility such as command of the Left Wing of Napoleon's army during the 100 Days Campaign which culminated in Waterloo. He bungled badly at Quatre Bras fighting Wellington's rear guard, while Napoléon was fighting the Prussians by ordering D'Erlon's Corps to march to his aid just as D'Erlon was reaching a position to eut off the Prussian's retreat. This allowed the defeated Prussians to withd... (more)

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Best Marshals:

1) Davout (Napoleon's most able subordínate, Iron Marshal)

2) Lannes (Brave and charismatic, Napoleon's close friend)

3) Suchet (Almost undefeated in the Peninsular War, Fox of Spain)

4) Soult (Iron Arm, tenacious and stem, but inclined to looting)

5) Ney (Fearless and loved yet indecisive, hero of Russian retreat)

Honourable mention: Massena(Brilliant army commander, only to get rekt in Spain)

Worst Marshals:

1) Marmont (A below par commander, and highly treacherous!)

2) Grouchy (Nice cavalry commander, but heavily blundered at Waterloo)

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The relations between the Roman (Byzantine) Empire and the Holy Roman (Germanie) Empire were a mixture of ideological antagonism, conflict for Italy but also coopération when needed.

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The Holy Roman Empire emerged in the Christmas of 800 when Charlemagne was crowned Emperor by the Pope in Rome. The Byzantines considered the title of Emperor to be a privilège of their own monarch only, the Roman Basileus. In fact, up to this point, they rarely had to point out that their monarch as the Emperor of the Romans, he was simply the Emperor, for everyone unde... (more)

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Related What would hâve happened if Alexander Suvorov was still alive to face Napoléon?

Suvorov was still alive and active when Napoléon was doing his thing. Suvorov defeated French armies in Italy, and he really wanted to confront Napoléon in battle. But, at the time, Napoléon was fighting in Syria.

Suvorov died in 1800 when he was 70 years oíd. I doubt that it was possible for him to survive until 1812 and not become a Shell of his former self. At the same time, it was possible for the two great générais to meet in Italy, and I suspect that Suvorov would hâve had an advantage, as a commander of both Russian and Austrian troops. Yes, Napoléon knew how to defeat larger armies, but... (more)

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